1000’s of individuals might have been wrongly thrown out of the UK for allegedly dishonest in an English language check.
Whistleblower testimony and official paperwork obtained by BBC Newsnight reveal the House Workplace has continued to attempt to take away individuals primarily based on the claims of the worldwide testing organisation ETS – regardless of figuring out of significant considerations about its conduct and flaws in its knowledge.
Greater than 2,500 individuals have been deported and no less than 7,200 extra have been pressured to go away Britain after ETS accused them of dishonest in an examination it set and marked. Others who stay within the UK proceed to combat to clear their names after enduring years of hardship.exams so individuals might falsely acquire a go they might use to use for a visa.
ETS supplied the federal government with a listing of alleged cheats – however regardless of proof that this included some harmless individuals who had been wrongly accused, the House Workplace continues to face by ETS’s proof.
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Being from north Manchester, born & bred, i also took the test so i could communicate with the other people from the united kingdoms of England, i failed it because my english is so bad and no one beyond the arndale understands me. I think people who cheat are only cheating themselves. I cheated on my first uk driving test in 1989 when i got my neighbor's 9 year old daughter to take my test for me, she passed with only 2 faults, i was caught out in the end becase my neighbours daughter had tattoos and i didn't
Why isn’t it even remotely shocking?!
This is such a neoliberal act. In The Netherlands like twelve years ago (? can’t remember exactly) there was found to be ‘widespread fraud’ with social security by Bulgarians. So they cracked down on social security. Now there are tens of thousands of families ruined, died (by suicide or unable to care for themselves or stress), completely broke because they looked or sounded foreign or less educated so the Dutch IRS demanded they would pay back all the social security they got, because with that surname or lack of schooling you must be a fraud.
People with little to no money and possessions to begin with all of a sudden stopped getting any social security AND had to pay back tens of thousands of Euros. Suddenly all doors closed and they were on their own, being threatened that everything they own and more would be taken away.
Kids were ripped from their parents because of this as highly indebted people could not take care of them anymore.
Only because ‘computer says no’.
Fraud is only legal for the rich white man with a white collar job. Or they will at least have ways to nullify the claims.
No wonder neoliberalism destroys (people’s trust in) democracy.
England should stop taking in colored people anyways
Yet another thing that makes me proud to be scouse and NOT English
Algorithms will do this for you. They should be banned!!!!!!
We have this in the Netherlands too, where many people are financially destroyed by the government because an algorithm accused them from being fraudulous.
The numbers of fraudulous people alone should have alarm bells go off. There is only a very small percentage of really fraudulous people on earth.
Anyway, even without the need to cheat, you can just boost your grades in these kind of tests with some basic training and repeating for dozens of times… Always the same type of questions. Does not show your real mastery or understanding of a language, but it's still an indication somehow…
So you have no actual proof and no explanation for how the number of 33,000 dwindled down to 2500, yet the title tries to state your allegations as a fact. Come back when you have real proof.
people who find ways around the rules are the ones who will succeed in life. they will be your boss!
To be honest, I don't really care.
Ah. So the test didn't ruin lives…people did.
Pretty sure their lives were ruined by the shithole they were running from, like the like minded cowards they are.
I remember taking this test in Greece in 2014, along with half of the class. Somehow, we all got barely passing grades on it, even the smart kids, despite them acing the Michigan & Cambridge Proficiency tests. What a scam
British still attacking yemenese even until now. And also in ukraine british giving more weapons so more people is killed and the war will escalate they will never try dialogue.
Imagine speaking perfectly good English , getting caught up in this scam, and the intransigence of bureaucracy when trying to prove your competence.
Wow. That is just messed up.
Someone should launch similar investigation against IELTS. sadly there are loads of proxy cases in IELTS as well..
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So shits happen not just here in Bulgaria. Good to know 😂.
When we can have another language as a global speaking language instead of English? We speak English because British colony invaded many lands in the past 🙁
Seems kinda fucked up since the vast majority of native speakers would fail this test. Life doesn’t give you controlled situations like a test does. I feel like you should go out and have “normal” conversation with someone and have that be your exam
Theresa still being a cold witch! Jk, I wish we had her back compared to Bozo
I've been in England over 40 years, speak English fluently and even have an O'level in English but they told me I had to prove it by taking a test, waste of time and money !
In the US, when you can't pass a class, you take it online, and cheat or pay someone to take the class for you….
Imagine your country getting colonized, then getting forced to assimilate english into their entire culture for hundreds of years to the point of having english as one of your national languages. Your schools are taught in english, your public road signs are in english, your laws are written in english, your television and movies are in english, your whole life you have been talking and thinking in english
yet you're still required to take this test to prove you can speak english because you're not considered a "native" speaker, and you have to retake it multiple times because it expires 🤦
i wonder if any innocent people were then accused of cheating. Unfortunate situation.
well "F" to my friends..
How the fuck do you take such drastic action on a single source of evidence with ludicrous results and not even question it? It sounds like they just wanted to deport imigrants from higher level positions to make room.
It was the parents of the immigrants that ruined their lives, they shouldn't have had children if their original country wasn't good to raise children in
I took an academic IELTS exam (English isn't my mother tongue) and I got a score of 7 yet I felt that the test is exhausting, frustrating, and has little to do with real life. I know that's irrelevant but I liked to point out to my experience with English proficiency tests.
I participated in such a test a few years ago…
I'm sorry, what relevance does a language test have to being deported?
Took a test few years ago, and feel it’s more of testing the focus span then your English level.
I'm relatively surprised to see these comments about how native speakers struggle to get a high score on a proficiency test like IELTS. Can someone who has taken the test chime in on how your experience with it was? I took it with moderate preparation (didn't take special courses nor bought any guide); I mostly just banked on my background knowledge and a few hours of looking at older exams, and I still came out with an 8.5. I just had this preconception that anyone who interacts with the English vernaculars on the regular would just smoke this test, but this comment section would say otherwise. Anyone care to shed some light on this?
Dumb American here… but why do you need a test for this in the first place? It sounds like posh snobbery to me 😛
Deport more and more and dont let anymore come here fukc the bbc its anti british
BBC News: The "news" channel that ruined everything else. Have a hard time passing a test but if the test was on how to groom white girls, they would pass 100%
Hooked on ebinocs in prison ruined my life. What the fuck is your problem?
We were all copying each other when I took TOEFL back in 1991. Lol
Today RUSSIA is the SUPERPOWER🇷🇺
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Once I asked ETS why the TOEIC test result is valid for 2 years only. They said
"Well foods have expiration date but don't get parished right after it, right? Just like that, we just set it as 2 years."
All I could found out was it doesn't have enough academic back up but so many non-English country people like me spend money on it.
토익은 그냥 사기인 걸 알면서 공부할 수 밖에 없었던 건 이 망할 한국 기업들이 토익점수 증명서를 요구해서야~ 제기랄
I don't think it actually matters if these people speak English. I think certain countries don't want their own ethnicity/culture to be over run by a foreign one
These people couldn't give less of a fuck if you speak English, Korean, vietnamese, Arabic, Spanish. They just want to keep there own culture intact
We have them that just run across the boarder. That is about about all I can say without YouTube deleting my account. I don't have freedom of speech as a American.
Nah, when I was 15, I attended a class for IELTS, my teacher is an international coach and verified IETLS tutor and he said that TOEIC is a scam, he literally attended one just to see how bad it is contructed and he found out that if you press your pencil too weak, the examiners will erase your answers and exchange your result with another one. You need to press very hard, literally nearly "break" the paper so they can't erase your work.
And for the IELTS test, I can say it is well constructed and worth it because all universities require it. I don't say IELTS is better than TOEIC, but I am sure that I can't 100% score my native language test, not even say foreigner.
The point of language test is simple, even an experienced professors could be rejected in an interview. If university need to interview language every single candidate, most of them will be crossed because of interview factor, not the language factor.
…why the Royal send their kids to Scotland for edumacation. Colossal horseshit.
Useless test anyway. When you want to hire someone, just talk to them to see how good they can speak. Many people that are very good at speaking get bad scores on this unrealistic tests anyway.
How about a real One on One approach. The Human Touch.