Though It has solely been two months for the reason that investigation started, there are actual issues that we could by no means actually know the precise circumstances surrounding China Jap Airways Flight #5735
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In summary, it was the demoted co-pilot
The average Chinese know this was a suicide and they also know their government will never admit it.
Boeing will know, and well as the FAA.
ONCE THEY GET THE TWO BOXES.
It is simple, don.t fly on Chinese airlines.
They are extremely image-conscious. They dont like giving out things that cause negative impressions that happen in their country. considering whats been going on the last couple of years, that is of course laughable.
Would you expect anything else from China.?
Someday we will find out. These things have a way of becoming known, eventually.
If the cause of the crash was suicide, then it won't help make us much safer by knowing this. But if not, and pilot error was the cause, or something about a flight control system, at least the airlines need to know how to prevent it from happening again.
What do I think? The same thing I have always thought when booking a flight to Asia and I just booked another one. Stay away from certain airlines, and most of all, all mainland Chinese airlines as there is no such thing as transparency in that country. There are a few other reasons but that is one of the two major ones.
This is one of those cases where their silence speaks louder than words.
If the findings as result of deep serious investigation are blaming the aircraft, China is more than compromised to reveal the results to the world as the 737-800 is flown by so many airlines around for the sake of safety. But that is not gonna happen since there are no records of this type doing so in the past, IMHO is all about suicide from the FO side
When you put a demoted captain with X thousands of hours of flight together with the person responsible of his demotion in the same cockpit, tragedy occurs …
the assumption that china or russia or any other "evil regime" for that matter hardly ever publish findings tells more about your state of mind than it tells about those countries… the cold war has been over for quite some time.
If they don't release a report that's just as telling as if they do.
The consequences of years of American aviation overreach. Of course the NTSB can write reports on accidents in Egypt or Indonesia but they count for little – certainly those reports have no legal or insurance weight in terms of compensation or fines. International law says that the investigator of record comes from the country of the accident. Period. And, any American court has to go along with that legal agreement. Of course the NTSB, the airframe manufacturer, the engine maker, the nation of registration of the aircraft, can be INVITED to join the crash team as 'associates' but any report or dissent they publish doesn't really change anything. Ukraine Airlines (Tehran missile shoot down) got their Honeywell (US) black box examined by the French BEA – they didn't trust American investigators and excluded them from the investigation. All this becomes easier for Americans to understand if they accept that the NTSB doesn't run global aviation and.. America no longer runs the world.
I think most people now realize it was most likely pilot suicide/murder. A country like China will be very cautious about admitting and disclosing to the world that one of its aviation professionals committed this heinous act. Thatβs how authoritarian regimes are – they are always paranoid about how a news will impact the people and βstabilityβ of the country (I.e. will people stir up trouble and protests using this issue).
Yeah it ranks right up there with covid.
This is simple to figure out there was a Captain with 30,000 flight hours onboard and had recently been demoted to first officer (now who knows why? IDK) ,but I can guarantee you he was the one who put the plane down into the ground. In some of those Asian countries your reputation is all you have and people take that very seriously over there so if you have been demoted that would be very embarassing and slash to his ego. I would bet a million bucks on it that captain who got demoted was the culprite. The next time any airline company demotes a Captain to first officer I don't think they should be allowed to keep flying because this also happened with Silk Air and apparently happened here at this tragedy.
There is a cultural concept of 'face' that is found in China and other Asian countries. That makes it extremely difficult to attribute 'human error' or factors as well as blame to government in a bad event. While civilian aircraft operations have been very safe in China for almost 20 years, the last significant deadly civilian aircraft loss about 10 years ago, something went very wrong here. Of course China would want to blame Boeing or someone outside of China for what happened and to 'save face' and not attribute what happened to an intentional act of a pilot. As the video notes, this is compounded by the political mine filed the USA find themselves in challenging China's investigation.
Don't worry you short arsed bowlegged little fβββββs , we already know how it happened.
If that is the case, we won't know officially until back channels open up, and they will. Anyone living in China knows you don't go against the government.
Having said this, I'm so excited to see you take the global point of view including the geopolitical landscape. And that means including the war in Ukraine, Russia, China, and India.
The facts still are until the "official" results come in, China hasn't banned any of the NGs from flying. China asked the FAA/NTSB/Boeing to help. Neither Boeing, the FAA nor the NTSB has said anything which suggests more geopolitical activity going on in the backrooms.
We'll have to wait until the back channels open up, ext.
Autocracies are SO SHORT SIGHTED. If they just gave it a little thought, they would realize it is much better to admit a single pilot went nuts than to imply that one of their most popular and safe planes may not be that safe and should not be that popular.
Personally, I couldnβt give a damn about politics, but for me, the evidence as presented points to intentional pilot action. I hope the families and loved ones of the victims eventually get the truth., whatever it is.
Fifty-two years ago during my first flight instruction, the teacher showed me how airplanes are prone to basically flying themselves in stable conditions. We were in a Cherokee D and he showed me just keep the nose slightly above the horizon and she will basically fly herself until something like turbulence interferes. I loved learning to fly, it was a thrill a minute. That feeling of being airborne!!!
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If the black box data was available and the govt refuses to publish it, then it has to be deliberate either via suicide or a conspiracy.
The truth will come out – although I suspect that certain parties will dispute it (as in the Egypt Air case).
The US was warning China that they have back door access to China's Boeing aircraft, just in case they decide to team up with Russia.
There have been cases of broken elevator drive gears, which resulted in the same type of crash…
Also the 737 Max had 2 similar crashes…
We don't know what we don't know…
What about a fault in the IRU which caused the pilots to nose over and put the plane in an unrecoverable dive. This has happened before…
The fact that China refuses to say anything makes it even more likely that it was an intentional murder suicide by one of the pilots in China cannot lose face there image is more important than the truth and will remain so
China and Bonehead I mean boeing hiding the truth, no not them. F them we have all we need to know, Mr ping pong crashed the jet, case closed!
You are missing the elephant in the room. China availed itself of US taxpayer funded NTSB labs to go over the boxes yet our own government will give the Chinese expensive information while denying it to US taxpayers. Since we paid for the information and the distilling it we should have proprietary rights to make it public to the US taxpayers. Once again the taxpayer is raped for the money and put as the lowest priority in benefiting from it! The board is not "talking about it" it if they release the raw data with no comment. So the international rule line is just more BS.
Considering the oppressive over populated covid cesspool and the government they have they will never release the findings but we all know this was pilot suicide that China doesn't want to admit to.
My money is on a deliberate crash. You mentioned Adam air but look that company up and it is not as reliable as Silk Air or even Egypt air. It seems significant that China has started flights again like they know it's safe, but have said nothing about the cause of the crash.
Truth will out. Eventually.
Great video.
What type of airline hires suicide maniacs? Mental health issues should be picked up in pre-screenings and psychometrics.
I think if they aren't going to tell us, we can decide for ourselves what the truth is. I vote for pilot suicide. Btw Nike, Adidas and many other companies have left China and moved manufacturing (and their investment) to other countries. China's labor is no longer as cheap as it once was and China is making it difficult for foreign companies to continue operations. Besides the quality of Chinese products have taken a nose dive as they cut corners to increase profits. So beware if you see "Made in China" on the box.
I do not think there can be any doubt as to the cause of this disaster given the facts as we know them. The Co-Pilot had been recently demoted from Captain to Co-Pilot (4 stripes to 3 stripes) due to a misdemeanour after decades of service. For a Chinese man this 'loss of face' meant that the shame he was personally experiencing was more than he could endure. He therefore took the decision to commit both suicide and mass murder. The plane plunged to below 10,000 feet with the Captain desperately trying to regain control from the crazed co-pilot before partially regaining control for a few seconds and then he was overcome once more and the plane continued its descent. The Chinese almost certainly will never reveal the true cause of the crash, it will be a cover-up.
If it was mechanical failure China would almost welcome this to prevent the world speculating human error. China then pointing finger at Boeing for reaction. Chinas silence says itβs all.
Until proven otherwise, the cause of the crash is intentional pilot-forced vertical dive into terrain.. Just as, until proven otherwise, the cause of the covid pandemic, is the Wuhan lab. Anytime someone hides evidence, consider it proof of whatever they don't want known.
Not true, the Black Box information is Uplink to a satellite storage. So even though the Box may be damaged the information is still stored. The Chinese and whoever has access to that storage knows the truth.
This story bothers me I cry still about this story I love and support all Asians overseas and in America they are such wonderful, beautiful people if u Asians hear me I love u all
Any official Chinese cause for the crash should be taken as a lie or cover up unless a completely independant Western investigation reveals the same.
100% and no further explanations needed. With their desperate desire to be in control of what the truth should be – they have become fully transparent to people outside their direct influence. Pathetic
OF COURSE it was a pilot suicide. If not, there'd be LOTS of enumeration of the 'most probable causes" by now. Silence speaks volumes.
For the safety of air travel and for the relatives of the deceased passengers the causes of the disaster should be made known to the world. How can China demote a pilot? He was promoted because he had acquired the required knowledge and experience. What happens to his knowledge and experience when he is demoted? How can an experienced pilot take orders from a lesser experienced pilott. All these inconsistencies were going on in the plane's cockpit, which should not have been so, and China is at fault for it.
china and Indonesia government don't want to admit the TRUTH Ever because than they would have to pay out. gotta love those communist governments ππππ Lol NOT ππ
The Malaysian government also hindered the investigation of Flight 370 because of a probability of murder-suicide by pilot. It seems the Asian governments (and/or culture) are big on honor and embarrassment but not big on transparency and vetting their pilots carefully….. No way I'm ever going anywhere near their domestic flights.
Today, Agenda Free tv ( take it for what you will), has proof as to the actual cause, LOL.